Couldn't have said it better in what I wrote on this same topic.
It's obvious you thought about it deeply to articulate it this well. It wasn't defensive or an attack. Just well thought out and written. Thank you for sharing.
I don't really think so. That's a massive cope when men realize they aren't getting their ready-made punching bags, personal assistants, maids handed to them (which is how they view women). The moment women have options, the majority of men don't get picked because they actually have to have value to be picked.
Men got away with treating women like shit for thousands of years, which you seem to recognize.
Now all women needed was the right to get their own bank accounts and a job, and men are reeling.
Tinder is 80% male for a reason. Men are reeling and it's one side that needs another a lot more, and until men realize that, you'll keep repeating the cope that the need is equal.
It's not. Men cause the problems, so the need is not equal. This is what men say to themselves to convince themselves they aren't as trash as they are.
You still are. If that's hatred, then it's hatred.
Go tell the Taliban about your amazing ideas. They need to hear about how much they need.
I think one simple reason for why I agree with 'men probably need women more' can be that men are never allowed to emotionally fulfill themselves. They can have money, career, power and what not but one thing they cannot and do not want to have is take responsibility for their emotional needs. They still expect women to fulfill their emotional needs whereas women have become autonomous, not only emotionally but even financially and professionally these days which is why they might not need men as much.
I do believe that men can have that emotional stability on their own but they don't take full responsibility of their emotions, as society never allows them and they never take time to fulfill those needs themselves either. In a way, they are the reason why they may need women more.
I believe that we need each other to thrive in a community but not to be complete as a person which is where the lines blur.
girly don’t bother 😭 there’s a reason he only uses pseudo-neutral language like “humans” and “both sides” …precisely because he doesn’t want to deal with structural imbalance. he wants to float above it, look like a thinker, and get credit for “saying the quiet part out loud” — without ever naming the part that makes men collectively responsible.
can’t ask him about it either because then he will dodge the question, and suddenly not know how to be an observer anymore. he is being careful about not breaking character.
the truth is if the need was really equal, men wouldn’t have spent all of history building systems to manufacture it. he can’t debate that so ofc he will be vague.
So is “dating app” statistics the metric you want to use to justify your argument that men need women more?
And are the evil actions of the Taliban a good metric to use to determine that men don’t feel they need women?
I agreed in my post that men have done much more harm to women. I never said it was equal, neither did I justify it.
My point about needing each other is based on the fact that we’re both humans, created to exist equally and simultaneously.
The crux of the whole issue is that it’s unfortunate that we’ve done so much harm to the other side leading them to view and treat us with so much disdain.
People do think it’s a form of retaliation (I know my misandry is based on that), but honestly it’s beyond just jabs and bants. The fact that women bond more over hurt men have put them through rather than anything else is telling enough
“I hate the way I, the victim, can be blamed for being at ‘fault’ when I am harmed or harassed.” This stuck with me so bad. As if my presence invited it. As if my clothes explained it. As if my reaction wasn’t the “right” kind.
There’s a violence in the harm or harassment in itself but an even deeper cruelty in the questioning that follows. When society demands I defend my trauma, it tells me my safety was always conditional. That my worth hinges not on what was done to me, but how convincingly I can prove I didn’t deserve it.
This really made me think. It’s easy to dismiss all these conversations as just banter or hate, but you’ve pointed out something important. A lot of it is coming from places people have not healed from. I think sometimes what we call jokes are really just cries wrapped in humour. Sometimes I wonder how much of what we believe about men now is from personal experience and how much is from the constant stream of content we see about them. The lines are starting to blur.
Couldn't have said it better in what I wrote on this same topic.
It's obvious you thought about it deeply to articulate it this well. It wasn't defensive or an attack. Just well thought out and written. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you!
"Men need women and women need men"?
I don't really think so. That's a massive cope when men realize they aren't getting their ready-made punching bags, personal assistants, maids handed to them (which is how they view women). The moment women have options, the majority of men don't get picked because they actually have to have value to be picked.
Men got away with treating women like shit for thousands of years, which you seem to recognize.
Now all women needed was the right to get their own bank accounts and a job, and men are reeling.
Tinder is 80% male for a reason. Men are reeling and it's one side that needs another a lot more, and until men realize that, you'll keep repeating the cope that the need is equal.
It's not. Men cause the problems, so the need is not equal. This is what men say to themselves to convince themselves they aren't as trash as they are.
You still are. If that's hatred, then it's hatred.
Go tell the Taliban about your amazing ideas. They need to hear about how much they need.
Complete nonsense.
I gave my perspective, you’ve given yours.
We don’t have to agree.
I still stand firm on my point.
You’ll have to explain why Tinder is essentially 80% male.
That’s basically true for all other dating apps, I think Bumble (the one supposed to be for women) is least like that but it’s still 67% male.
That’s not opinion, so it’s not a matter of agreement.
Why is that?
And how come the Taliban doesn’t think they “need” women? They get away with treating them like shit because they choose to.
Explain those things.
I think one simple reason for why I agree with 'men probably need women more' can be that men are never allowed to emotionally fulfill themselves. They can have money, career, power and what not but one thing they cannot and do not want to have is take responsibility for their emotional needs. They still expect women to fulfill their emotional needs whereas women have become autonomous, not only emotionally but even financially and professionally these days which is why they might not need men as much.
I do believe that men can have that emotional stability on their own but they don't take full responsibility of their emotions, as society never allows them and they never take time to fulfill those needs themselves either. In a way, they are the reason why they may need women more.
I believe that we need each other to thrive in a community but not to be complete as a person which is where the lines blur.
I have no “explanation” to give for things that I have no control over, affiliation with, or influence on.
It’s absurd that you’re asking me to explain two things that aren’t remotely related to any of the points in the original post.
I'm not asking you to JUSTIFY it. I asked for you to explain your argument.
You said men need women, women need men.
If it's equal, why is every dating app, especially Tinder as the most popular, like 80% male? That's not equal, and that is related to your point.
If it's equal, there would be an equivalent of how Taliban males treat females in reverse. If we're just as bad, where do women act like that?
That's what I'm asking for--they're both related to your argument.
girly don’t bother 😭 there’s a reason he only uses pseudo-neutral language like “humans” and “both sides” …precisely because he doesn’t want to deal with structural imbalance. he wants to float above it, look like a thinker, and get credit for “saying the quiet part out loud” — without ever naming the part that makes men collectively responsible.
can’t ask him about it either because then he will dodge the question, and suddenly not know how to be an observer anymore. he is being careful about not breaking character.
the truth is if the need was really equal, men wouldn’t have spent all of history building systems to manufacture it. he can’t debate that so ofc he will be vague.
So is “dating app” statistics the metric you want to use to justify your argument that men need women more?
And are the evil actions of the Taliban a good metric to use to determine that men don’t feel they need women?
I agreed in my post that men have done much more harm to women. I never said it was equal, neither did I justify it.
My point about needing each other is based on the fact that we’re both humans, created to exist equally and simultaneously.
The crux of the whole issue is that it’s unfortunate that we’ve done so much harm to the other side leading them to view and treat us with so much disdain.
You're just repeating yourself, and you didn't address the point.
If we're both humans, then you have to tell men that women are human. Stop telling me--you're talking to the wrong person.
I saw the title and immediately smiled 😂
People do think it’s a form of retaliation (I know my misandry is based on that), but honestly it’s beyond just jabs and bants. The fact that women bond more over hurt men have put them through rather than anything else is telling enough
Men deserve revenge.
Btw men think not being able to get laid is a violation of international human rights law.
They're not rational or connected to reality, so if only.
Apparently both traits are seen are feminine and “emotional” and they know nothing about that
That's funny because men have been projecting for centuries. Blind irrational rage is totally logical; crying when sad is just wrong.
LOL
I think they forget rage is an emotion, maybe even the strongest one.
But God forbid they listen to that discourse
it’s telling and it’s quite sad
“I hate the way I, the victim, can be blamed for being at ‘fault’ when I am harmed or harassed.” This stuck with me so bad. As if my presence invited it. As if my clothes explained it. As if my reaction wasn’t the “right” kind.
There’s a violence in the harm or harassment in itself but an even deeper cruelty in the questioning that follows. When society demands I defend my trauma, it tells me my safety was always conditional. That my worth hinges not on what was done to me, but how convincingly I can prove I didn’t deserve it.
It’s a very terrible thing to put that on top of the pain the victim is already feeling
This really made me think. It’s easy to dismiss all these conversations as just banter or hate, but you’ve pointed out something important. A lot of it is coming from places people have not healed from. I think sometimes what we call jokes are really just cries wrapped in humour. Sometimes I wonder how much of what we believe about men now is from personal experience and how much is from the constant stream of content we see about them. The lines are starting to blur.
Unfortunately, the lines have completely blurred for many
Love the way you dissected this and touched all angles 👌
Being a terrible person is not gender-based, it just happens that most of the bad things that happen to women, and in the world, are caused by men.
What most people don't get is nuance, flattening everything to binary takes is where the problem begins.
I agree